Sunday, June 15, 2008

are dominants really just chauvinistic, anti-feminists?

back in september, i subscribed to a well known dating site to take a quiz. at the time, i was uninvolved, so i uploaded a brief summarization of myself, reviewed matches, profiles of men and/or women who piqued my interest. what transpired was enough follow up emails updating me on my status, that i decided that i could down interpol with all the internet traffic. i hit unsubscribe and thought nothing more of it.

cut to two weeks ago... i was notified by that same site that a person had taken a gander at my profile and i had a message waiting. my first thought was "huh?" and "i have an account???"

intrigued, i hit the auto log-on feature and read the email. there really wasn't much substance to the email, so it was deleted. however, because on this particular evening, i didn't have anything better to do, i played around on the whole site – more quizzes, who had viewed me recently and searched profiles. not that i planned to initiate contact with anyone, it's just fun to see what's there. i liken it to passing a person on the street, you might think they're attractive and take a second peek in admiration, but that doesn't mean you want to go home with that person.

in doing so, i viewed a profile of a man claiming to be a polyamory dominant. never having been part of a such a relationship, i find the dynamic fascinating. as i perused his profile, he made a statement stating that he is proud to be a chauvinist and anti-feminist. it struck me wrong (no pun intended) seven ways to sunday and disturbed me so much that i actually had to look up the official definitions of the words.

male chauvinist
–noun a male who patronizes, disparages, or otherwise denigrates females in the belief that they are inferior to males and thus deserving of less than equal treatment or benefit.
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[origin: 1965–70]
dictionary.com unabridged (v 1.1)
based on the random house unabridged dictionary, © random house, inc. 2006.


antifeminist
- characterized by ideas or behavior reflecting a disbelief in the economic, political, and social equality of the sexes.
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the american heritage® dictionary of the english language, fourth edition. copyright © 2000 by houghton mifflin company. published by the houghton mifflin company. all rights reserved.



within a few days, that same man also found and contacted me, at which time i told him, that while i found his profile interesting i was involved and politely stated i thought we would butt heads. he read portions of my blog in the interim before i received a very direct response that asked several questions:

1. does T know about the profile? if not, why? (he did not - hell i didn't - but T knows now)
2. why are you listed as single? (obviously when i hit unsubscribe i thought it was a dead issue)
3. he asked if i was looking for a new relationship.
4. he could not imagine what would cause me to pause and think we would butt heads and then, i quote "Elaborate on that".

elaborate on that. while i appreciate directness, a "please" could have preceded that statement. manners would be nice for crying out loud. odd that those three words coupled with his chauvinist/anti-feminist statement could piss me off so badly.

for one, you do not put out a blanket statement that because i am a woman i am inferior to you... EVER. i get so hot under the collar just thinking about it. secondly, approach me politely, respectfully, and don't order me to do anything. i choose to whom i give my gift of my submission to. i am not a submissive because i am inferior. i am a submissive because it makes me feel safe and happiest to do so. i think of each party as equal, but different – otherwise you would not be able to meet the each other's needs.

being a submissive certainly doesn't mean that i can't hold my own, that i'm not independent, self-sufficient, or that i cannot care for me and mine which includes taking care of MY dominant. news flash pal. you cannot be a dominant without someone deciding to be your submissive – otherwise you are just another pompous ass spouting rubbish.

i could have let the matter drop but i politely responded back (it was a stretch, trust me) that i was not looking for a relationship. that i viewed his profile, as i have others, was purely out of curiosity - that he piqued it was coincidental. then i asked what i really was dying to know - how he defined his chauvinist/ anti-feminist statement within and out of the context of his bdsm relationship. i never heard back from him again.

his statements have stayed with me. i'm sure my own opinions on the matter might be cause for comment and i'm all for that – comment away. (free speech and all that) however, i really am interested in the opinions of others and specifically of other male dominants.

8 comments:

Anonymous said...

"news flash, you cannot be a dominant without someone deciding to be your submissive – otherwise you are just another pompous ass spouting rubbish", i like this from you pet and it is so true and one of my beliefs and alway has been, it takes 2 in the equasion to make a whole relationship.
my best to you pet!!
"T"
p.s/ hmmm anti-feminist, does he forget where he came from ??, i don't think you will hear back from him...

David said...

Unfortunately, there is no prequalification test for Dominance and anyone can call themselves a Dominant no matter what their character, or proclivity.

If there is anything good in this, it is that he was clearly an asshole right out front. Another girl I know suffered a worse fate, and I guess it is good that she did not get hurt physically but was treated quite badly.

A Different Kind of Sadist (Dominant)

Merry said...

I've known several self proclaimed antifeminists and male chauvinists, but I've actually never known one that was also a dominant. ALL the dominants I know would never, ever, put dominance and male chauvinism in the same category. A majority are more feminist than I am.

Hmmm. . . I have a grudge against the Random House Dictionary.

Deity said...

elle,
i would never describe myself as a chauvinist. i know early on in my sexual journey, i considered all females submissive, but even then, that didn't mean i thought of them as inferior.

if truth be told, part of my dominance comes from the fact that i must - MUST - control that incredible and amazing creature known as the human female. the reactions i have to a simple flick of the wrist of a dainty girl tells me that in no shape or form are my SM postures related at all to a superiority complex.

elle said...

thank you all for responding. reading that particular statement was surprising as i had never run into a dominant who thought i, or females in general, were inferior.

it made me wonder if i have been naive. thank you for setting me straight. ;)

hugs, elle

ps. special welcome to you Diety - i'm honored.

her Man said...

D/s isnt about one person being superior to the other but rather its about creating a relationship that is based on inequality.

The participants have equal value as human beings but are not equally treated in the relationship... at least thats my take on it.

E W said...

By the definitions that you gave, I have to say I don't subcribe to either, though i do call myself chauvanistic. I believe that it is my place to take care of my wife. She isn't inferior to me, in fact after 18 years, I would be lost without her.

We are different parts of the same whole. She serves me, and I take care of her. Neither is better than the other. The yin and the yang.

elle said...

@EW - Welcome. I'm interested, what is your definition of chauvinistic if you do not suscribe to M-W's version?